Essence Magazine Article: R&B Singer Jill Scott Is Against Black Men Dating White Women. Do You Agree Or Disagree?

 

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You know the moment when you realize that fine, accomplished brother is with a White woman? Let’s call it “the wince.” Three-time Grammy Award-winning artist, writer, actress, philanthropist, mother and all-around Renaissance woman, Jill Scott gets to the root of our feelings on the matter.

My new friend is handsome, African-American, intelligent and seemingly wealthy. He is an athlete, loves his momma, and is happily married to a White woman. I admit when I saw his wedding ring, I privately hoped. But something in me just knew he didn’t marry a sister. Although my guess hit the mark, when my friend told me his wife was indeed Caucasian, I felt my spirit…wince. I didn’t immediately understand it. My face read happy for you. My body showed no reaction to my inner pinch, but the sting was there, quiet like a mosquito under a summer dress.

Was I jealous? Did the reality of his relationship somehow diminish his soul’s credibility? The answer is not simple. One could easily dispel the wince as racist or separatist, but that’s not how I was brought up. I was reared in a Jehovah’s Witness household. I was taught that every man should be judged by his deeds and not his color, and I firmly stand where my grandmother left me. African people worldwide are known to be welcoming and open-minded. We share our culture sometimes to our own peril and most of us love the very notion of love. My position is that for women of color, this very common “wince” has solely to do with the African story in America.

When our people were enslaved, “Massa” placed his Caucasian woman on a pedestal. She was spoiled, revered and angelic, while the Black slave woman was overworked, beaten, raped and farmed out like cattle to be mated. She was nothing and neither was our Black man. As slavery died for the greater good of America, and the movement for equality sputtered to life, the White woman was on the cover of every American magazine. She was the dazzling jewel on every movie screen, the glory of every commercial and television show. She was unequivocally the standard of beauty for this country, firmly unattainable to anyone not of her race. We daughters of the dust were seen as ugly, nappy mammies, good for day work and unwanted children, while our men were thought to be thieving, sex-hungry animals with limited brain capacity.

We reflect on this awful past and recall that if a Black man even looked at a White woman, he would have been lynched, beaten, jailed or shot to death. In the midst of this, Black women and Black men struggled together, mourned together, starved together, braved the hoses and vicious police dogs and died untimely on southern back roads together. These harsh truths lead to what we really feel when we see a seemingly together brother with a Caucasian woman and their children. That feeling is betrayed. While we exert efforts to raise our sons and daughters to appreciate themselves and respect others, most of us end up doing this important work alone, with no fathers or like representatives, limited financial support (often court-enforced) and, on top of everything else, an empty bed. It’s frustrating and it hurts!

Our minds do understand that people of all races find genuine love in many places. We dig that the world is full of amazing options. But underneath, there is a bite, no matter the ointment, that has yet to stop burning. Some may find these thoughts to be hurtful. That is not my intent. I’m just sayin’.

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20 responses to “Essence Magazine Article: R&B Singer Jill Scott Is Against Black Men Dating White Women. Do You Agree Or Disagree?”

  1. La Reyna's avatar
    La Reyna says :

    Jill Scott is entitled to her opinion. Whether one agrees with her or not, white womanhood is still on the pedestal and the devaluation of black women continues in the media today, i.e. John Mayer, incessant media inquiries into why black women are single, Ghetto Gaggers, etc.

    To those who say that Jill Scott should put this behind and date other races, the last I checked was nonblack men overwhelmingly date/marry nonblack women. Most black women prefer to date/marry black men but society is putting roadblocks to the black family. Black men are in crisis and society in general doesn’t care about black men. Neither does the media care about black women. All you have to do is look at the pictures of missing/murdered white women that mainstream media circulated to the whole world. Everybody knows about Natalee Holloway, few people knew about Latoyia Figueroa who was missing around the same time as Natalee.

    Let’s not berate Jill Scott for speaking her mind.

    La Reyna

  2. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Hello, La Reyna, I personally believe black heterosexual men have a right to date or marry any woman they want to marry.

    I agree that white womanhood is placed on a pedestal by society and black women are devalued and this is indeed wrong and unfair.
    I understand Jill Scott’s perspective. However, I guess, I am concerned about Jill’s viewpoint that she feels “betrayed” by black heterosexual men that sleep with white women. Since I am not a black woman, I am not sure I totally understand this side of Jill’s argument?

    Would Jill Scott care if a black man married an Asian woman or a Native American woman?

  3. nwilson's avatar
    nwilson says :

    I understand what Jill Scott is saying. Black women are constantly being put down by all races of people. They think of us as loud, angry and bitter. The truth is, you have that in all races. Then we are told, that’s why even the black man do not want us. Every black woman is not like that. You have ghetto in every race. But, to each it’s own. Unless you are a black woman, then YOU, will never understand!

  4. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Nwilson, you make a cogent argument, I guess only a black woman would truly understand the pain of seeing a black man date or marry a white woman.

    I guess because I am a gay black man I don’t totally understand your perspective. I think I do understand the anger some black women feel though.

    I agree that society has a distorted racist and sexist image of black womanhood.

    Since racism exists, I also believe some black heterosexual men believe that if they date or marry a white women they will have “access” to white skin privilege.

    Of course, nobody talks about the fact in white culture some of them are not accepting of black men dating or marrying white women.

    Look at the Tiger Woods controversy? The main reason the white media jumped on Tiger Woods is because they were horrified that a black man likes to have sex with white women.

  5. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    In such a thoroughly racist world of course things like status play a part in who people choose to date. People largely make decisions based on their own personal self-interest they do NOT act on behalf of a race, so if racism against a particular group is widespread and their differentials in access to status, prestige and power of course all human relationships will be skewed. However its just tough luck, Woman are absolutely obsessed with men’s height..Why? Status.

    In many instances Jill is no doubt correct. BUT its just tough luck, people are selifish and when it comes to reproducing they put their own INDIVIDUAL interests first.

    For the most part black men are also just better looking than black women. This happens, Russian women are generally better looking than Russian men. Of course all the status and power issues above play their part, but objectively black women ‘generally’ are simply not as good looking. It isn’t due to skin color either. Some Asians are really dark but Asian women are generally better looking..Black men however are handsome, better looking than Russian men on average for example.

    Lifes a bitch.

  6. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    The Dude I don’t agree with your opinion. First, I think your generalization about whom you believe is more attractive than whom is based on your personal opinions.

    Your opinions are not a universal fact just your personal opinion. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    I do believe that since black men are male we do have more social options than black women due to the incredible misogyny black women experience.

    The reason black men have more social status in society is due to male privilege. Even though black men we encounter racism in society we are still male and society is very sexist against women especially women of colour.

  7. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    It also works the other way round.The very best looking black women go white men. Does it make me wince? Yes, is it tough luck yes? Do they go with them basically through underlying status yes? Good looks make up for black skin. White will and do take the very best looking black women, but do the black men with white women take the best looking white women nooo. You ain’t gonna see no scarlet johansen with a brother thants for sure..

    So Jill’s right, but its tough luck. being a human animal is basically a state of hell, the nice things people say are platitudes. Women seek out status and men seek out beauty and to a lesser extent status. We are animals in competition. Nothing more.

  8. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    Orville> DOnt get me wrong there black women that are out of this earth. But on average I think there arent as many attractive black women, that doesnt mean anything about the ones that are attractive. Yes of course it’s my opinion. Howver black people are not the only opressed people. Asians, as in Indians, bangledeshis etc, dont have this issue, their men want to marry their women. Why? Cos on average Indian women are better looking, they know it and most of us know it too. Averages doesn’t mean everyone but I beleive its the case. The way I see it status is more important to women than men, now If every other race of man though black women on average were stunning trust me they’d be trying to get in there regardless of status…they aren’t because by and large they aren/t that attractive. When a black woman as an individual is really hot, EVERYONE will be trying to nail her..its just about sexual selection and this takes place at the individual level and not in groups..
    Certainly with men actual perceived desirability as an individual will overide status issues, this is less the case for women when they choose..

  9. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    The Dude, I do no agree with your opinion. I caution you to just speak for yourself. Your generalizations only weaken your argument.

    In South Asian cultures it is a collective culture. South Asian communities are endogamous they do not believe in marrying outside of their cultural group.

    In fact, this is the reason honour killings is such a serious issue in South Asia because people are murdered if they marry someone not in their caste, class, or religious group.

    You do not speak for all the men in the world. Just because you are not attracted to black women doesn’t mean you speak for all men on this planet.

    You also do not explore the issue that black women have been dehumanized by a racist and sexist society.

    Jill Scott’s argument is due to slavery and racism some black men have obviously believed that black women are inferior and devalue them.

    I believe Jill Scott is saying the legacy of slavery still exists and some black men have bought into the hype about white beauty.

    I do not believe Jill Scott is saying a black man cannot date or marry a white women. Jill Scott is not arguing to stop black men from dating or

    marrying white women.

    Jill Scott’s argument is that yes “race” and “class” are factors to explain the reasons why some black men devalue black women.

    My viewpoint is, Jill Scott is saying there is a deeper more subversive issue of the power of racism to explain the reasons why some black men devalue black women.

  10. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    I know her argument, My argument is that some individuals are better looking than others. And if black women were all hot men would want them. Men think with their di** basically. There is a wider variety of looks amongst white women for a start, dif colour eyes, hair etc, whites developed these for reasons of sexual selection in the first place..Again this doesn’t pertain to every individual..

    If you can seriously state think say Ugandan women are on AVERAGE are as good looking, as say Norwegian women, Punjabi Women, Latin American women, Chinese or japanese, then your simply pretending..

    You wont see rich westerners bringing over mail order Ugandan brides, they go for women who are just as poor in other countries but who are generally better looking.
    We are obviously going to disagree, but I think you are trying to make reality fit in with your political outlook.

    • xXx's avatar
      xXx says :

      What have you been smoking? Those traits that were developed had nothing to do with sexual attraction. It had to do with what environment the person/people lived in. And to correct you it is actually Africans who have the widest array of looks. It is africans who everything stems from. And it is Africans who are the ONLY people to carry ALL the traits of other races.

  11. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    Orville> And Jill scott is right on every point. However on top of all of that, is the fact most men of all races find black African women less attractive on average, and this is the case amongst all peoples on the planet at the same time a lot of women find black men attractive for example in the Scandinavian countries, there is no politics to this, they just do. Like I Russian women are better looking than Russian men…

    Anyway I am sure I sound like an awful person to you, but I am not, life simply isnt fair. If the planet had only black people on it, the ugly people would still get stiffed..We are animals.

    • orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
      orvillelloyddouglas says :

      The Dude, since we live in a racist world the white woman is placed on a pedestal these racist and sexist messages about white womanhood have existed for centuries.
      It seems you believe these racist beliefs about beauty standards.

      The Hollywood film industry, and television shows present the image that a woman should be white, thin, a size zero, have blonde hair and blue eyes.

      Race and beauty is socially constructed you mentioned Scarlett Johansson I personally don’t think she’s attractive. However, since Hollywood and
      white America have pushed thin, young, white women such as Megan Fox and Johansson on the pubic we are told this is beauty.

      Well I strongly disagree with Hollywood.

      The racism is projected through magazines, television shows, movies, books ect.

      This is Jill Scott’s argument you are only validating her viewpoint. Why is white skin viewed as more attractive than black skin? The answer is due to racism. This is the reason some black women are upset with black men because men from their own race view them as unworthy and unattractive.

      The good thing is, most black men prefer to date and marry black women this is a fact and American census backs up my argument.

  12. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    The Dude, you can’t speak for all men these are your personal opinions. It seems to me, you hate black women and you devalue them and I think that’s just sad.
    Do you think your mother is ugly or your sister or your aunt? Actually The Dude you are incorrect, I think you need to do more research. It is well known that white men from Western Europe travel to Africa in search of young black women but that’s besides the point. The issue here is, you don’t like black women and that’s your perspective. However, I strongly disagree with your argument because it is based on racist and sexist generalizations.

  13. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    Orville> I didnt say I dont like black women. I like good looking women and some black women are stunning, but not as many of them are. Using words like racist and sexist here, is just to side-step, the question is, is it true? It also implies that I dislike people and I dont, I simply think some groups of humans on AVERAGE have better looking people. I note you didnt answer the question RE: Uganadan women vs the other goups mentioned. But I know full well Jill or the new Jill will be saying the same thing in 500 years. Good-looking people get the breaks end, if you don’t think it possible that a group of people could on AVERAGE have better or worse looking people, then please say why?
    You think there is NO objectivity to sexual attraction? Its ALL subjective? What makes you say that when science seems to indicated the opposite?

  14. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    Orville> Don’t know where you got that about western Europe either. I live in western Europe and that absolutely isn’t the case..

  15. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Of course, there is objectivity and subjectivity to sexual attraction. However, Jill Scott is simply arguing the issue of beauty standards is deeper than just sexual attraction and I agree.

    I believe Jill Scott is arguing we live in a world where whiteness is at the center and blackness is starting to move from the margins.

    Black activists had to create black magazines to uplift the self esteem of black women because they have been oppressed for too long.

    I think the world is finally getting better and black women now know they are beautiful.

    Jill Scott is saying the issue of white supremacy, the legacy of slavery are indeed facts to explain the reasons why some black men date and marry white women.

    I agree with Jill Scott this argument is a cogent one.

    Jill Scott isn’t saying black men can’t date or marry white women.

    Jill Scott is saying the issue of obtaining white privilege is one of the reasons black men date and marry white women.

    For instance, in the gay community the white male adonis is the image of beauty. I personally don’t agree with the message the white gay male media presents but they try to force this image on to everyone.

    Some gay men of colour believe they have to date a white gay man in order to obtain acceptance and become a part of the gay mainstream.

    Sexual attraction is one issue but to say race is not a factor I think is a bit naive.

    I find men of all races sexually attractive and I think there is beauty in all people because we are all human.

  16. thedude's avatar
    thedude says :

    Orville> I take your point. I don’t disagree either but I also think its possible to say for example that objectively speaking Australian aborigines are not as good looking as Mexicans on average..If you think I’m wrong fair enough.

    Have a good day.

  17. xXx's avatar
    xXx says :

    Looking at the percent of votes on what i am willing to bet a lot of white women and uncle tom noggas was on here.
    You people need to open your eyes. Black guys are in high demand only because of how popular we are now. I see most of you are morons though.

  18. BlackRockerStudBrett1953's avatar
    BlackRockerStudBrett1953 says :

    orvilleloydouglas,if racism dictates that black women are regarded unattractive(though it’s REALLY their
    huge a**es,guts and attitudes folks find objectionable),why are great-looking black lads such as myself in demand by hot blondes and Latinas?

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