Should Black Focus Schools Exist In The Province Of Ontario?

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There was a town hall meeting in the city of Toronto yesterday between educators and the public about black focused schools. The educators think it would be a good idea because they say a disproportionate amount of black students are dropping out of school. I can admit that I used to have negative thoughts about “black” focused schools. I still have visions of the African American feminist writer Zora Neale Hurston denouncing the “Brown Vs Board of Education” decision from the Supreme Court in the year 1955. I don’t know anymore? I can honestly say maybe a black focused school should be opened. What harm could one school really do?

I remember a book that was published a few years ago by a black York University professor Joseph Mensah called “Black Canadians”. Every single black Canadian should read professor Mensah’s groundbreaking book its available at the public libraries or at the book stores. You have no excuse to not read professor Mensah’s book. Professor Mensah’s book was a real eye opener it was depressing at times but also Mensah comes out with some hard hitting facts. Yet notice, Professor’s Mensah’s book wasn’t a blockbuster best seller he also wasn’t on CBC, or in the Globe and Mail, and his wonderful book wasn’t discussed much in the Canadian media. Its just typical of the Canadian media to ignore the issue of race as though ignoring it the issue will go away.

Although Professor Mensah’s book was talked about in the ivory towers of Canadian universities and Academia it didn’t reach the masses. Go read Professor Mensah’s book “Black Canadians” it will change your life and it will open you eyes to the truth about Canadian racism against black people.

In the book “Black Canadians” professor Mensah provided evidence through statistics that black Canadians encountered racism in terms of finding employment despite having university and college degrees. The racist stereotype is that black Canadians are not graduating from post secondary education at decent levels and that’s a lie. All you got to do is read professor Mensah’s book and the truth is there. I went to York University during my undergraduate days and York has a very large black student population. I didn’t like the University of Toronto because there simply wasn’t enough courses about black Canadian history and culture compared to York.

When I was younger during my middle school and high school days history class was extremely Eurocentric. We learned about Europe, and the English and French Canadians. I don’t think I learned anything about black Canadian history until grade seven or grade eight. Most of the discussions were about white Canadians and occasionally Asian Canadians and First Nations people were explored in history class. However, the contributions of people of colour wasn’t a focal point of the Canadian history curriculum. The contributions of black Canadians was definitely at the bottom of the list in my history classes. Usually, black people we were only discussed the topic of slavery, the war in 1812, and the underground railroad and that was it. What about the domestic workers scheme of the 1970s? Is that all there is? Why wasn’t that included in Canadian history classes? However, blacks have been living in Canada for over the past four hundred years since the 1600s.

It wasn’t until I reached university that I was able to take courses in black history and truly learn about the incredible contributions blacks made in Canada. The truth is black Canadians we are not considered a real “part” of the “fabric” or “members” of Canada. Why deny the honest truth? In Canada, black people we are still considered “immigrants” or children of “immigrants” and “outsiders” looking in. Black Canadians we are “framed” with the “lens” of being the “other”.

There are more Asian Canadians in Canada then blacks. The social hierachies in the province of Ontario dictate that Asian Canadians are considered less of a “threat” to the white Canadian majority. If you’ve noticed the media in Ontario doesn’t really “attack” Asian Canadians in Ontario with the same venom they do to blacks. However, in the Western provinces the racism in the Canadian media is a different story. In Vancouver British Columbia the incredible racism against South Asians is very real and its disgusting. Next, in the Western provinces and in central Canada First Nations people are attacked by the Canadian media.

In the United States despite the racial discrimination African Americans encounter they view themselves as “Americans”. I admire the African American people because they fought so hard for their rights and for social change. In Canada there is this utopia attitude that “racism” doesn’t “exist”. The Canadian media acts as though “race” is not a social construct and that its all a mirage or an illusion. At least African Americans are a “part” of American history and culture. There are also forty million blacks that live in the United States they make up 12% of the American population. Canada only has about 600,000 blacks we make up less then 1% of the total Canadian population. America has a lot of social problems but in America if you’re black you can still make it you can be a somebody. Sometimes I wonder if this is possible here? I mean pay attention to Canadian culture, Canadian politics, and Canadian society its all white. Do you think a Canadian Barack Obama could exist? America has black mayors, black governors, and black politicians. The city of Toronto always has a white mayor we don’t even question it? Why is the police chief of the city always white? Why are all the editor in chiefs of Toronto or national newspapers or broadcast media always white? We all become numb to this collective thinking that whiteness must always not only be exclusive but the “only” way to think about society.

We always have white male Prime Ministers in Canada. Do you think a black Canadian could ever be Prime Minister in this country? When hell freezes over! The status quo is very hard to change here because the Canadian society is afraid of change. The anger about the black focused schools and the sensationalism by the mainstream media I think “centers” on this “irrational” fear. I think that’s the real fear here is “change” to admit the public school system is failing some children.

Next, the Canadian media will say that black Canadians “complain” too much. The attitude here is that black Canadians we should just “ignore” the “obvious” racial prejudices and biases against us we should just “go with the flow”. Whenever overt or covert racism takes place here the Canadian media will say blacks play the “race card”. Next, the Canadian newspapers or radio stations will find the “resident Oreo” or “House Negroes” that “agrees” with the “status quo” and they use these blacks as though they speak for “all black Canadians”. The white Canadian media also plays the “race card” very well. The white card attempts to circumvent the power of racism.

Black Canadians we are constantly “framed” and ” attacked” by racist Canadian editors, television producers, radio editors, story producers, managing editors, in the mainstream Canadian media. Yet you will never read about the hypocritical racist bigots that work “behind” the scenes in the Canadian media. The social constructions of race, class, gender, come into play when discussing black Canadians. African Americans have so much more social, economic, and political weight and power in the United States. There are also racist radio and television talk show hosts in Canada that sit and “wait” for the latest controversy and then they bash black Canadians or any other “marginalized group”.

I have conflicting thoughts about Canada. Sometimes I think the opportunities such as education, low crime, living in a prosperous nation, are solid reasons why black people should live in Canada. I would rather live here then say Switzerland, Austria, or Germany that’s for sure. There are other times when I absolutely hate living here there are not a lot of writing opportunities here in Canada. The Canadian press is drenched with supremacy, racism, and lies. The Canadian press will sensationalize the whole black focus school subject because it spikes up television ratings, radio show ratings, because the incredible racism against black Canadians is so strong. And its not just whites that have anti black prejudices in Canada. Some Asian Canadians also believe black people we are inferior. I have noticed that at major Canadian news, print, or broadcast media they will hire Asians before they will hire blacks. The Canadian media in Ontario definitely has a racial bias against black Canadians and that’s a fact. I keep on wondering sometimes why did my parents choose this country to live and start a life instead of the United States? Most of my relatives live in America.

I recall when the former Prime Minster Paul Martin asked CBC journalist Michaelle Jean to become the new Governor General in Canada there was discontent in the Canadian media. Suddenly, editorials and opinion articles sprouted up like a wild fire across various Canadian newspapers denouncing Paul Martin’s decision. The Canadian media complained that Ms. Jean must give up her French citizenship and that her white husband was a separatist. The bottom line is the Canadian media didn’t want a black Canadian woman to have such a high profile role as a symbol of Canada.

Paul Martin got it right if Canada is truly a “multicultural” nation as the Canadian media claims then black Canadians we should be allowed the opportunities to be able to reach our “dreams” and break the glass ceiling. Of course the racism in the various opinion articles about Ms. Jean were “covert” no N word was used no racial slurs. However, beneath the surface the ugliness of Canadian racism was easy for the eye to see. The editorials and articles by various white Canadian writers did not want to just be “real” and “honest” for five seconds.

Another problem I have with the Canadian school system is the “kinds” of books black children are forced to read. White literature is forced on black children all the time and this has got to change. Why can’t there be more diversity in the classroom? Why can’t children of colour read books by Canadian writers of colour more often? Where are the books that are required reading by Canadian writers of colour such as Nalo Hopkinson, Wayson Choy, or Evelyn Lau, or by Rohan Mistry?

I also remember when I was in grade ten I was forced to read Harper Lee’s racist garbage book “To Kill A Mockingbird”. I absolutely hate that book! Lee may be praised by the North America media but Harper Lee’s novel is a racist piece of filth. Lee uses the N word to the extreme in the novel it makes me want to vomit. I can understand the use of the N word to make a point but Lee uses the N word about a million times in the book.

I also have a problem with the paternalistic racist approach to the novel. The Atticus Finch character is a classic example of white supremacy and patriarchy. Mr. Finch he is the classic the white male lawyer he is the “voice of reason” to defend the “savage” black man accused of raping a white woman. I find this subjective kind of reasoning to explain racial apartheid abhorrent and derivative. Black male sexuality once again is presented as violent and deleterious.

Also, notice in “To Kill A Mockingbird” Lee also made sure the two young white characters in the book Scout and her brother Jem have a black mammy maid Calpurina. Calpurnia is the stereotypical “mystical”, “loving”, “nurturing”, mammy. Lee frames black women in a racist, sexist, and very stereotypical light. Yes all black women are good for according to Harper Lee is to be the resident black mammy dispenses “advice”, “cook”, “clean” make pancakes and be the universal mother figure to the rich white Southern children. Calpurnia has no thought no purpose in the novel other then the be the loving mammy and inferior and obedient to white people.

Notice that the Atticus Finch character in “To Kill A Mockingbird” is the classic noble “white male liberal”. The white man is still viewed as the real ” white hero” of the book. The racist stereotype of black male sexuality as “savage”, “pernicious”, and “dangerous” permeates through this abhorrent book.

I want to take a bottle of gasoline and set “To Kill A Mockingbird” on fire! It angers me that I had to read this book when I was just a kid. Lee fails in her pathetic attempt to “bridge” the racial divide. Lee still stereotypes black people as “dumb”, “poor”, “stupid” that we have no “reason” no “thought” that blacks still need the “white male savior” to “save us” from ourselves. The political, social, and economic systems in the American south kept many blacks poor it wasn’t because blacks didn’t want to achieve. Blacks were denied access to higher education in America despite being taxpayers in various cities and towns. It is also the reason historical black colleges and universities such as Howard University were created to give blacks a chance to advance in society.

It makes me cringe how racist Lee’s book really is! I remember being disgusted when I was in grade ten I was forced to read this racist piece of crap! In order to graduate high school I had to read “To Kill A Mockingbird” a book that is false. “To Kill A Mockingbird” is not about fighting racism in fact the book reinforces racist and sexist stereotypes about black people. Black kids still have to read this racist shit book “To Kill A Mockingbird” if they want to graduate high school.

I remember being so upset with the racist language, the plot, and also the storyline. No one questions the psychological effects racist literature such as Harper Lee’s “To Kill A Mockingbird” still has on black children?

I also recall when I was in grade twelve I was forced to read Shakespeare for my English class. I did like the play Hamlet. I hated the play Othello though and the obvious racist language Shakespeare uses in that play against black men. However, I never had the chance to read black Canadian writers such as George Elliot Clarke, Dionne Brand, Makeda Silvera, and Austin Clarke when I was in high school.

The curriculum needs to change ASAP its too whitewashed. No wonder some black kids are “bored” with school when white history and white literature is slammed down the throats of black children. We are just told to “accept” this kind of racism. Why shouldn’t black kids and all children in general be allowed to have a range of diversity of books to read? Why does Harper Lee gets so much praise for her racist novel? Why isn’t Richard Wright’s book “Native Son” on the book list for high school English classes in Canada or Zora Neale Hurston’s “Their Eyes Were Watching God” or Langston Hughes work such as “The Big Sea” or “I Wonder As I Wander”?

The discussion was passionate on both sides about the issue of “black” focus schools. In a previous blog entry I said that I didn’t agree with black only or black focused schools. Now I am not so sure about that. I can admit that I may be wrong. I do remember when I was a kid I did not have a black teacher until I reached grade eight. I recall how shocked I was that my grade eight science teacher was a black man. I remember I did feel a sense of “comfort” and a sense of “pride” having a black teacher.

The bottom line is the Toronto district school board isn’t hiring enough teachers of colour. Now of course, black parents have a responsibility they have to be involved with their children’s education and that’s a fact. When I was a kid my parents always went to the parent teacher meetings because they wanted to know how I was doing in school. Now when I think about it I see both sides of the argument. On the one hand black children need to “learn” to get along and study besides children of other races there should be no “segregation” based on race. However, I also see the other side that states due to the statistics some black kids simply aren’t performing well in school and are dropping out. I think there should be a compromise. I think a program should be created to help the most at risk black children that do need more assistance with their school work. The truth is the Canadian media of course ignores the issue of the lack of black teachers in the class room. Also, why do black children and children of other races always have to learn about white Canadian history all the time? I think the course work should not alienate black kids and other children of colour. The Toronto District School Board needs to realize the issue is much larger then just “creating” a black focused school.

The issue here also pertains to the deleterious attitude Canadian society has for black kids. Let’s face it when teachers talk “privately” everyone knows what they are saying. Who decides what kids have to read in school? There needs to be more public forums taking place for everyone to see what’s really going on. Some educators and teachers are racist they think black kids and black people are “dumb”, “lazy”,” not willing” to “work hard” and are “slow to pick up” the material. Now think about it? How can some black kids achieve when racist bigots are grading black students assignments? I remember when I was in high school there was a controversy over a teacher that was a part of the KKK. Nobody wants to admit in Canada these racist stereotypes exist. Recently a white Nobel Prize winner insulted black people and said black people were stupid. So how are some black kids going to do well in school when they have white or Asian teachers that also believe these racist stereotypes?

Nobody wants to be real nobody wants to be honest. Whites and Asian Canadians will say “in private” that white kids and Asian kids “do well” under the current education system in Ontario so why can’t some black kids also achieve? Maybe the framework is all wrong?

I remember when I was a child I had white teachers that made me feel “stupid” and “dumb” and didn’t encourage me or give me the assistance with my school work that I needed help with. I’m not going to mention the names of these teachers but I definitely felt that some of these white teachers have covert racist beliefs about black people. I think anyone that wants to be a teacher should be forced to take anti racism and anti oppression training. I also believe that the attitude of the Toronto District School Board needs to change. Maybe black children wouldn’t feel so “left” out if the school board actually did their job and hired more black teachers.

The Toronto District School Board needs to be held accountable because a complete overhaul of the education school must take place in the province of Ontario. One black focused school isn’t going to solve the problem that is just a band aid solution. No the Ontario government needs to admit racism against black kids in the Ontario school system is a serious problem. Education is so important its crucial to advancing up the social ladder. No wonder some black children children are apathetic about the educational system when the racist framework exists? How can black kids in high school truly be interested in English class when they have to read books such as Harper Lee’s racist novel “To Kill A Mockingbird” ? The issue here is clearly larger then just black focused schools racism needs to come out of the closet in Canada. Canada needs to “change” and address the fact that the hiring standards of the Toronto District School Board, the curriculum, and even the Ontario government needs to wake up and get with the program.

Links to articles about black focused schools: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20071109/balck_focused_schools_071109/20071109?hub=TorontoHome

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/11/09/black-schools.html

http://680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20071109_075759_5704

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I am a gay black Canadian male.

17 responses to “Should Black Focus Schools Exist In The Province Of Ontario?”

  1. steve's avatar
    steve says :

    Hello

    I read with great interest you thoughts on the “black issue”. As a white parent of 4 I feel that there should be a diverse curriculum studing the broad spectrum of all the races is class room so all our childern can see the contributions of the creators of our country. We must all remember that not only was Canada built by the white immagrants but also on the backs of many other races and nations. That must be clearly stated to our melting pot of a nation. History and arts must be deliverd to our childern showing the development of our land from all points of our development as a country. Creating a publicly funded focused school system does not meet that objective. To that end yes the counteries education system needs an overhall.

    We need to teach our childern the whole picture in public funded schools with a multi cultural make up.

  2. aulelia's avatar
    aulelia says :

    This is an interesting idea. Black focused schools is a dope idea! Your post goes deeper and touches on something which I fundamentally black people do not want to discuss: alienation. Do you think that Canada excludes blacks because it is still institutionalised?

    Orville said:

    I also remember when I was in grade ten I was forced to read Harper Lee’s racist garbage book ”To Kill A Mockingbird”.

    CLAPS!!! EXACTLY! I never realised how racist that book was until I looked at it again. It is a classic canvas of ‘white guilt’ and heroism la la la. Thank god she decided to sink into obscurity. I am tired of ivory tower shit.

    Your post hits the nail on the head many times O, but you know what I think? I just have this feeling like black people are not going to be able to change the system from the inside. We have to regroup within ourselves and do it like that. It means claiming our blackness even more and looking at our authors worldwide.

    There are plethora of FANTASTIC African/West Indian authors all over the places and Black Americans, Canadians, Black Britons. I think it is a question of re-educating our people and trying to read more stuff from black authors.

    I definitely am going to try!

  3. aulelia's avatar
    aulelia says :

    oh yes, and Frantz Fanon deals heavily with alienation on Black Skin, White Masks. Now that is a masterpiece of black psychology!

  4. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Exactly Aulelia, I do admit in the past I had a fear about black focused schools because of the fear that black children wouldn’t be exposed to different cultures and segregation. However, I think this black focus schools idea is for the “most at risk” black kids the ones that may drop out of school. I think a pilot project one school should be made and then let’s see how it works out. I mean if educators are saying that a large number of black kids are dropping out of school and the Toronto District School Board knows this. Yes, something needs to be done. The course work is a major part of the problem. Black children need to be “excited” about school and “interested” in school. Why is it so hard for some people to believe some black children don’t want to read racist filth like Harper Lee’s “To Kill A Mockingbird.” Just because Oprah has championed the book doesn’t mean Oprah speaks for all blacks. I found Lee’s book to be paternalistic and just laced with so much racism, sexism, and bigotry against black people. Although Lee says her book “fights” and is “against” racism Lee’s book “reduces” black people to second class citizen status and treats blacks as “stupid”, “dumb”, and “inferior”. And also the racist stereotype of the white male savior that “saves the day” echoes throughout this racist piece of garbage. Black children in high school should have more choices to read books by Frantz Fanon, or Angela Davis, or bell hooks. I think in grade ten to grade twelve the kids should be able to read those books. Notice books about black culture by black writers “is excluded” from the course list. The whole education system is whack. Why should black kids be forced and encouraged to “accept” racism and “supremacy” and that’s clearly what this course work is all about. Where is the diversity in the course materials?

  5. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Hi Aulelia in relation to the issue of alienation I don’t think a lot of black Canadian people like talking about this but I do believe it exists. The negative attitude towards discussing issues of “race” in Canada is very perplexing. On the one hand the Canadian media and Canadian society prides itself on this facade called “multiculturalism”. Yet the truth is the status quo is what is “demanded” by the “system”. I think some black kids self esteem is lowered when they don’t see teachers that look like them in the classroom, when the course material has nothing to do with black culture. Some black kids become bored and I can’t blame them the sense of worthlessness and helplessness is very powerful. The Canadian media also has a role because the Canadian press also has a negative attitude towards people of colour but in the province of Ontario blacks are always on the “target list.”

  6. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    There is also a rumour out there that Harper Lee didn’t even “write” “To Kill A Mockingbird” that her famous friend the writer Turman Capote actually ghostwritten the book. And when you think about it Lee has only written “one” novel very interesting indeed.

  7. aulelia's avatar
    aulelia says :

    Thanks 4 your replies (+ I like the new layout!)

    *Orville said “The course work is a major part of the problem. Black children need to be “excited” about school and “interested” in school.”
    –I completely agree. The course material, even here in Britain is so one-sided. It just focuses on one aspect of being British which is related to white people, not much to do with Asian or Black people. I am an African but I adore reading about ethnic post-colonial discourse because it relates to me. There needs to be a balance. But I can say one thing, I am glad I am almost finished university because frankly…the education system can even leave you feeling more institutionalised than liberated! I think another part of the potential solution is us, the black people reclaiming the written word. In Black Skin, White Masks, Fanon puts a great deal of emphasis on the power of language and how it can actually control people and make the oppressed even more oppressed. I personally think it is our duty as anglophone black people to use this language to dissect the issues affecting black people and create our own spheres of influence, instead of hoping and wishing for inclusion. I am not at all against multiculturalism because I am not a racist but the problems affecting black people about identity have NOT been addressed by our leaders. Black people consistently have to go and search for their authors as opposed to knowing about them instantly in school because of the racism that you have mentioned. It’s a fucking cancer and disgusting but no one cares except us because no one loves black people as much as black people.

    The written word, especially novels, can have a profound effect. Look at how the written word in myths like Beowulf created a cult of Anglo-Saxon nationalism and even to this day, it is synonymous with national identity here in Britain for white people. That is EXACTLY what we as black people lack to a certain extent because we had our beautiful myths robbed from us. I do think education is really the only way forward.

    I think I have gone on a tangent a little bit but what I am trying to say that multiculturalism is cool but i think for black people to get better from the poisons of colourism and self-division, we need to take it upon ourselves and stop expecting white people or the system to help us.

    You know what I didn’t know? I had no IDEA that Eldridge Cleaver was homophobic against James Baldwin. I was checking out James Baldwin because I think I want to read him next BUT… it came up on Wikipedia that Cleaver attacked Baldwin in Soul of Ice which brings me to my next point. Black people should unite but only with black who share their interests. Learning about that has made me feel very annoyed and pissed in fact because it has reminded me that not all black people want to further the interests of all black people. I just wish black people could just unite and start making shit better for each other instead of concentrating on people’s sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is personal and private and I just find homophobia disgusting.

    –A–

  8. Mé's avatar
    says :

    Here’s my theory for today:

    The black focused school debate is not about helping black students; it’s about preventing the private sector from demanding chartered schools for Ontario so that the private sector can offer chartered schools such as black focused schools.

  9. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Interesting theory about the Charter School system you may have a point about that.

  10. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Aulelia I think you got a point about the written word. The written word is so important and when you look at the state of black literature these days not exactly very exciting the kinds of books black writers are publishing these days. I mean Karrin Steffans “Superhead” is on the NY TIMES bestseller list. I think the course material needs to shift. I think kids in high school should be reading bell hooks, James Baldwin, Langston Hughes, Dionne Brand. And you are right about books by post colonial writers from the Caribbean and Africa these writers such as Dionne Brand, Makeda Silvera, Nalo Hopkinson, Austin Clarke, and many more should be available for kids to read in school. Frantz Fanon is important but again Fanon is controversial and you know high schools just don’t want kids reading Fanon’s work! Fanon wrote some pretty impressive books given the fact he wrote the books so long ago! A lot of what Fanon says makes sense today!

    In relation to homophobia Baldwin yes I heard about Eldridge Cleaver and his book “Soul On Ice”. Baldwin was no flower or no saint he could strike as strong as Cleaver could. Baldwin did have his enemies I recall Baldwin wrote an essay and he criticized his former mentor Richard Wright! Wright helped Baldwin getting his first book deal. And Wright felt that Baldwin’s attack on him was unacceptable their friendship ended after that.

    Baldwin was very brave he’s an important figure in literature in the African Diaspora because he not only wrote better novels then Harper Lee dealing with the issue of race he also wrote about books dealing with homophobia in the black community. Baldwin was indeed ahead of his time. Langston Hughes was gay but he lived his life in the closet because he didn’t want to lose the support of the black heterosexual community.

  11. Ike Awgu's avatar
    Ike Awgu says :

    I’ll do you the courtesy of being honest.

    Not a terribly large fan of your comments, nor the idea of “black focused schools”, which to me are farcical.

    Either way, it sounds as though you’re in favor of reforming the public system, not doing establishing a two tiered system for black kids. In that regard we agree with one another.

  12. stecia's avatar
    stecia says :

    The premise of black-focused schools is wrong-headed and it deeply disturbs me.

    You are suggesting that black people are neither smart enough nor capable enough to manage within the traditional education system, and need to have the curriculum spoon-fed to them.

    hmmmm….. there are many, MANY black Canadians who succeed in the current system and do not become thugs.
    These problems are restricted to specific, problem neighbourhoods and so there are socio-economic factors at play. Poverty can lead to a life of crime, NOT race.

    In order to take on this issue we need to have a strong community where parents, teachers, and leaders work TOGETHER. Segregation is not the solution. While I do agree, that we could have more black issues incorporated into the classroom, it can include Asian, Aboriginal, etc.etc.
    It deeply concerns me that we are even considering this. Does anyone remember what the civil rights movement stood for? Maybe that’s the problem… all too often we forget history.

  13. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Excuse you? Don’t try to put words in my mouth. I certainly didn’t say black kids weren’t as smart as white or Asian kids. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? I clearly said the system is racist and it definitely doesn’t engage black children and that’s a fact. I had similar fears about segregation but the bottom line is the educators are saying a disproportionate number of black children are dropping out of school. I don’t see the harm in opening one black focused school? Its obvious some of these kids need help. The educators are taking the drastic step and even the Toronto School Board is seriously considering this. Think about it this way, if young people do not get a good education there is a higher chance they could end up in poverty, trouble with the law. I don’t want this to happen. I want black kids to do well in school. I simply wrote about my own personal experiences with the Toronto District School Board and they were not happy memories.

    I never said black children were not “smart” enough to understand the material. My perspective is that the curriculum is flawed and does not engage some black children.

  14. stecia's avatar
    stecia says :

    I hear what you are saying, orvillelloyddouglas, and I even agree with some of your points.

    The current curriculum is flawed and does not engage black students – or white, or asian, or aboriginal…..and yes, the WHOLE system needs an overhaul and we need to review the hiring standards of teachers. The material is out-dated and not relelvant. I can remember using textbooks that were 20 years old.
    The assumption that black kids do not do well in school is WRONG. They are succeeding with the exception of certain communities. So then shouldn’t we be looking at what are the problems in these communties? For example, a lot of these youth only have one parent supporting them, often a young mother who herself dropped out of school. Couldn’t these mothers use more guidance and support from the community?

  15. stecia's avatar
    stecia says :

    “Race is the least reliable information you can have about someone. It’s real information, but tells you next to nothing. ” – Toni Morrison, author

  16. DREAL's avatar
    DREAL says :

    On the real, what’s all this talk about Segregation? Why do I hear all this talk about Martin Luther King? This is the reason why we need “Afrocentric Schools” so that we can learn that there are OTHER black intellectuals out there other than MLK. I have nothing against the brother i love him, but i’m seeing him being used it a way i can approve of.

    how come no one balled our MLK’s name specifically his speech “beyond Vietnam”
    to talk about our roles in IRAQ and Afganistan? Oh i guess he doesn’t apply there huh?

    Remember his teaching they say, remember his dream,

    Do i have to remind people what they did to MLK and his dream. THEY killed him. That’s how they responded about his talks about integration.

    Everyone in the world will never fully be integrated. For every inter-racial couple, and newcomer, heck even gender and sexual practice SOME ONE WILL BE JUDGED. We (the human race have come along way be we are not totally there yet.)

    when Chinese come to Canada, they go to china town, or richmond hill where ever there is a high pop of chinese people. Indian asians do the same. How come it is alright to segregate in terms of neighbourhoods and not learning institutions?

    Heck all of us start off on the same line, I have friends all across the map, but eventually people get with the status quo and get in where they fit in, whites with whites, blacks with blacks, Asians with Asians, etc. It’s there just take a look around.

    people have their groups of white friends, their black friends, their chinese friends. How come they never intermingle?

    In terms of Afrocentric schooling, and this is going out to all my black people, LEARN ALL THE FACTS BEFORE YOU JUDGE! DAMN IT! Why are you so quick to shoot down everything that your people try to bring to the table? After you get the facts then make up your mind.

    one of the biggest problems we have as a people is that we are so easily divded.

    “Massa don’t even hava wip us no mo, CUS we juss wip ah-selves.”

    Why I’m for the schools, is because as a 28 year old man, i know almost nothing about my culture and my philosophers. And just like orville said there are so many. I get a sense of pride when i read their works because i’m reading some one who relates to my experiance. I think all people can learn from this. I love other cultures too, I’ve done a lot of kung fu and chinese lion dancing and they have embraced me.

    I think a lot of black people are scared, they don’t want to rock the boat. “we’ve come so far we don’t want to loose everything our ancestors have fought so hard for. So they tread lightly on issues like these adopting attitudes that all blacks do is complain.

    Some black are not even proud of their beautiful wooly hair, So how can they be proud of an institution what could teach them self pride and self love.

    Before any body said a peep about “afro-schools” NO ONE GAVE A FUCK. No one wanted to give money of help out the kids that were failing.

    Now that a problem is realize and some people want to do something about it, torches and pitchforks come out of the wood works? All of a sudden now people give a fuck?

    If i remain a victim i have only myself to blame, but you cannot hold it against me for trying to stop my victimization.

  17. orvillelloyddouglas's avatar
    orvillelloyddouglas says :

    Dreal I cosign with your comments. The black focus schools needs to be opened ASAP. 40% of black teens in Toronto are dropping out of school this is unacceptable! I think black Canadians we do have a fear of not “rocking the boat”. However, we have to “rock the boat” in order to advance in society. The racism in Canada is very subversive yet on this issue the attitude of Premier Dalton McGunity is abhorrent and racist. Nobody gives a fuck about black kids that are suffering in silence that are marginalized due to racism. The reason black focus schools are going to be opened is because the Toronto education system is flawed and the fucking Premier Dalton McGuiinty this asshole isn’t even doing his fucking job! We wouldn’t be in this mess if this motherfucker had taken the concerns of black educators and the Toronto District School board more seriously.

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