Why aren’t Kelis, Deborah Cox, and Fefe Dobson more popular is racism and sexism to blame ?
I watched Entertainment Tonight Canada a few weeks ago, and saw Fefe Dobson on the show. I am so excited! Fefe is recording a new album! I sure hope Fefe is getting a new record deal even if its just for the Canadian market? Anyone paying attention, to Rihanna’s new “rocker” girl look will notice she looks very similar to Canadian rock goddess Fefe Dobson. Just remember Fefe and Rihanna are both on the Island/Def Jam label in the United States.
Dobson released her first album a few years back reaching platinum in Canada selling over 100,000 copies and over 300,000 copies in the USA. Dobson’s USA label Ded Jam dropped her because they didn’t know how to “market” Fefe. Fefe Dobson is not “R&B”, she’s a rock/pop singer. Unfortunately, in the USA the record business in America is so racially stratified. In the USA, if you’re black, you have to be hip/hop or R&B and that’s it.
American TV, radio, music magazines, music video channels all segregate black entertainers into the hip hop/R&B category. The only black entertainers that have managed to have mainstream success, are seasoned veteran artists Ben Harper, Lenny Kravitz, and Tracy Chapman.
In the 1980s and 1990s black entertainers that had a signature R&B sound were able to crossover to mainstream radio and television formats. However, its still a very small select group of black singers that have managed to obtain “commercial” mainstream appeal yet also maintain the black audience. Prince, Michael and Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Beyonce, Usher, were able to appeal beyond an R&B sound but most black singers these days haven’t been granted that opportunity.
If you are paying attention, a new wave of white singers such as Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, Nelly Furtado, Fergie, Gwen Stefani can crossover the hip hop, R&B, and pop formats. The advantage for the current white “hip hop” singers is their music is reaching a larger audience both black and white. Black radio will play Justin Timberlake but not Meshell N’Degeocello. BET will play a Nelly Furtado video but not Tracy Chapman.
The white hip hop singers suddenly have both street cred and market appeal. For some reason black audiences think it is “cool” when a white singer sings R&B when really it comes down to just marketing. A record company will tell Nelly Furtado to sing “R&B” because her last album “Folklore” was a flop. Furtado’s last studio album was a more pop/folk record and the sales were lower than the record company expected. Suddenly, Furtado returns with the hit album “Loose”.
Perhaps Furtado likes “R&B” music, but music fans shouldn’t be so ignorant to not realize it also was a marketing strategy. Yet for the opposite reason black music lovers don’t embrace black singers that break the stereotypical R&B sound such as Kelis, or Fefe Dobson.
White North American radio isn’t playing Deborah Cox, Kelis, or Dobson on pop radio even though their music has elements of pop. For black artists that go against the conventional thinking they are often left out of gaining radio airtime in the black and white media.
White hip hop singers such as Robin Thicke, Justin Timberlake, Nelly Furtado, Fergie, and Gwen Stefani have all changed their sound to a more “black” sound and they are reaping the awards. All the current white R&B singers record sales have sky rocketed and they also have “industry cred” suddenly.
Why is that? I think its a mixture of marketing that these white singers suddenly have an R&B sound its just business. The music industry have praised these white entertainers for “taking risks” yet not black singers.
Where are Meshell N’Degeocello’s Grammy awards and platinum record sales? N’Degeocello she is the first artist to start the whole neo soul movement in the early 1990s. Meshell moved on to funk, pop, rock, and even some soul. However, Meshell has been ignored by the black and white media.
There is news that Madonna once again is trying to incorporate a more “hip hop/R&B” sound. Does anyone remember Madonna’s 1994 album “Bedtime Stories”? Over a decade ago Madonna’s career was going downhill she called up Babyface and Dallas Austin these two black producers saved Madonna’s career.
“Take A Bow” is still Madonna’s biggest hit ever and “Secret” was also a hit. Madonna was shrewd enough to bite off the whole hip hop R&B sound and she was rewarded with huge record sales. Now since Madonna’s last album did not sell well in the USA she’s once again going to go “urban” in hopes of selling tons of records.
I am not suggesting that white entertainers don’t have a right to work with the producers they want to because they do. The music industry is a business and the job of the singer is to sell records. However, why are white entertainers allowed to have more leverage and cross musical genres? Why are white singers “celebrated” when they cross genres yet black entertainers are not only scorned?
There is a new black singer Rissi Palmer she has a hit song called “Country Girl” and she’s trying to crossover into the country music scene. The problem for Palmer is she is alone very few blacks have had success in country music. Charlie Pride and Ray Charles are the only blacks to have had major success in that genre.
Country music is a very conservative, white, Christian, homophobic, genre of music. I sure hope Rissi Palmer doesn’t end up as just a “novelty” act. I have listened to Palmer’s song “Country Girl” and I am impressed she definitely has the talent to do well the question is will the public embrace her? I like it when I see black entertainers that attempt to break the “chains” of what society thinks black music is. Black music isn’t just being a soul singer or a rapper. A black singer should be allowed to sing any genre he or she wants to sing. If you pay attention to country music it has elements of blues, and soul in it. “Country Music” definitely originated from black culture.
Why is Justin Timberlake considered pop when he sounds just like Usher? What is the real difference between Justin and Usher other than race? What is the difference between Beyonce and Nelly Furtado? So why are Usher and Beyonce classified as “R&B” and Timberlake and Furtado are classified as “pop music”? I don’t get it?
I think the popularity of the current young white singers that have a more “urban” sound is due to what I call the “Elvis Presley syndrome” . White people want to see other white people that adopt a black sound.
Fefe Dobson was dropped from Island/Def Jam because they didn’t consider her music “commercial ” enough. Yet Nelly Furtado when she went to a more “urban” sound she suddenly was selling millions of records. Where does this leave people like Fefe Dobson? Fefe doesn’t get on American pop radio because in the USA if you are black you’re not getting on mainstream pop radio unless you’re Whitney Houston or Toni Braxton.
Deborah Cox was huge back in the late 1990s, she had a couple of hit albums and then in 2002 Clive Davis Cox dropped from Arista records. Deborah Cox is important because just like Fefe she’s a black Canadian singer that made it big in the USA. Yes its a big deal, for a Canadian black entertainer to make it in America.
Black Canadian entertainers have to get their record deals in the USA if they want to reach a larger audience they have no luck in Canada. Much Music is a white Canadian network that focuses on developing white Canadian talent and not black Canadian artists. Black American artists can sell in Canada because they are “American”.
There is a strong anti black sentiment in Canada against “black Canadians” and “black Canadian” entertainers are patronized, scorned, and discriminated against in a variety of ways. For instance, the racist Juno Awards, Canada’s wannabe “Grammy” awards for many years, blocked out black entertainers and segregated in the R&B and Hip Hop category.
It was only until “black Canadian entertainers”, complained about the blatant racism of the Juno Awards, that things have changed ever so slowly. The Canadian music establishment is indeed a very myopic and a very racist business.
America is where the fame, glory, and money is. Cox had a hit album almost ten years ago called “One Wish” that sold millions copies she also had a hit song “‘Nobody’s Supposed To Be Here” and that also sold millions of copies as well.
In 2002, Cox returned to the spotlight with “The Morning After” Arista just didn’t promote Deborah right and she was dropped from the label. Deborah has done some theatre, gotten married, had some kids but she is returning to the spotlight.
In America, it’s the same thing, for Kelis she just doesn’t receive the respect she deserves. Kelis refuses to be categorized and pigeon-held by the racist American music industry. Unlike Cox and Dobson, Kelis she is American, and she has managed to remain in the spotlight for the past ten years.
However, Kelis doesn’t get the respect she deserves in the USA for being original. Rihanna has copied Kelis hairstyle, style of music, and clothes. Kelis and Fefe Dobson are the blueprints Def Jam copied their trademark signature sounds and music to make Rihanna successful.
Kelis isn’t trying to be the next Rihanna or Beyonce. Beyonce and Rihanna are clearly copying Kelis. Kelis is an individual, and she has her own sound, personality and style. Kelis has also been successful. Kelis second album “Wanderland” wasn’t even released in the USA because her former American label “Virgin America ” didn’t think it would “sell” in America. Kelis asked to be dropped from “Virgin America” and “Wanderland” was released in Europe, Australia, and Asia only.
Kelis strongest fanbase isn’t even in America its in Europe. Kelis can tour in London or Dublin and sell out a concert in less then a few minutes that’s how popular she is overseas. However, in America Kelis hasn’t had the kind of success she has had in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Asia. Kelis is a huge star in Europe especially the UK. Kelis always charts in the UK.
Kelis recent album “Kelis Was Here” bombed in the USA. However, in the UK Kelis had a hit single “Lil Star” that soared to no.3 on the UK singles charts. In Ireland, “Lil Star” also reached no.2. In the USA, despite Kelis latest album not doing well she still had a hit single the amazing and feminist song “Bossy.” I just love that song! Although I must admit “Bossy” did become a hit in the USA according to the RIAA, Bossy went double platinum in America. Kelis is also wrote the song “Bossy”.
Even though, Kelis is married to Nas and is on the USA pop culture radar she’s still treated in America as too “different” or too “weird” and out there. I kind of wish black radio producers, black TV and media executives would understand they are also falling prey to this collective racist kind of thinking.
Why does a black singer have to be cateogorized in one genre? Kelis is special because she controls her own image she’s isn’t a puppet that just does what the record companies tell her what to do. In the USA Kelis is on her fourth American record label.
The USA music industry is not just sexist its racist as well. Kelis has always been her own person she was rocking the green, pink, orange hair and amazing outfits before other artists copied her. Remember Beyonce’s song “Ring The Alarm” I found that song to be a total rip off of Kelis “Caught Out There”. As Kelis says she was the “first girl to scream on the track” and Beyonce clearly copied Kelis with song “Ring The Alarm.” Kelis isn’t getting the credit for taking risks with her music and inferior less talented artists such as Beyonce Knowles get the glory and that’s just wrong.
Kelis mixes genres with her music. Why can’t a black artist use rock, pop, R&B in their music? It isn’t just the mainstream that’s the problem though its also the black media.
The black American media has a very myopic and at times racist outlook on “what” a modern black artist is supposed to sound like. White singers like Robin Thicke, Timberlake, Furtado, Fergie, the white girl from No Doubt they can get on black radio and even sometimes on BET because they crossover. Why are white singers “celebrated” when they embrace black music?
Yet when black singers attempt to use some rock, new wave, disco, trip hop like Fefe Dobson and Kelis the black singers are scorned? Kelis can’t get on some black radio stations or even mainstream radio because they consider her sound too “different”. In Europe its a totally different story. In the UK especially Kelis is actually a huge star in the UK this is where Kelis has had her biggest record sales that actually match and sometimes are even higher then some American artists.



It’s hard out there for a black girl who doesn’t wanna be a stupid girl hip hop honey or video vixen. I’m trying to get a record deal but it’s hard because I wanna sing more pop/rock/funk. I knew from the minute I saw Fefe that she was going to have trouble making it in the U.S.. It didn’t help that Avril Lavigne came out around the same time looking twice as edgy as she did. I noticed that Rihanna totally stole Fefe’s hair from “Sunday Love” too!! I sure a shell ain’t knockin on Def Jam’s door lol; Fefe was twice as talented than Rihanna. I also noticed that Nelly Furtado changed her sound entirely. I felt bad for her because I’m sure it’s not exactly what she wanted, but she needed to keep her job. I loved her debut album and the single from Foklore. Her folk pop fusion was something unique. I wish Rissi Palmer the best of luck; she is going to have it harder as black people have been very good about abandoning the music they created everytime white people pick it up instead of just fighting for it. Rissi is entering an even more “white-dominated” area than rock. I can at least name some recent additions to the black rocker group (American Idol contestant Nadia and Shinga from the Noisettes!!). But there is not a single black person in country. Country is really the origin of soul music. I want Rissi to make it so bad, more than me, just to prove that music is just music not black and white. I appreciate this piece of writing so much; I thought I was the only one who noticed the racism going on in the music industry. Thank you for noticing all this racial b.s.
Hello Ada, thanks for taking the time to read my blog. Its so true Rihanna definitely has been ripping off Fefe Dobson’s image. And you’re right Fefe and Avril both released their albums around the same time. Fefe had moderate success in Canada going platinum selling over 100,000 copies. I don’t get why Def Jam didn’t give Fefe a chance the girl definitely has a lot of talent.
I wish Rissi Palmer well but she’s getting into Country Music and the “vibe” I am getting is that people see her as a novelty act and won’t take her seriously and that’s unfortunate. I haven’t heard much about Rissi’s album since it was released. I hope the record label will market her well. I also get this vibe that Country Music wants to “remain” whiite. I find it interesting that white artists can appropriate black culture and make a profit but for some reason blacks encounter a barrier when trying to do the exact same thing? As for Nelly Furtado she totally went on the whole hjp hop/R&B thing because it sells and she wanted to make money. Also since Nelly is white she can get on Much Music, MTV and BET. For some reason black music fans think its “edgy” or “cool” if a white person sings hip hop/R&B. Don’t people understand its just marketing and business? Nelly and her record company know she can reach more demographics, reach the black, youth, white market by changing her image and sound. And it worked for Nelly. But people shouldn’t be so ignorant and not understand its just business.
Its also sad that Kelis tries to do rock and roll and yet she can’t get on mainstream radio and even black radio.
what’s your problem with gwen stefani, nelly etc? it isn’t there fault, it’s the black ppl who listen to their music, and black ppl only listen to rnb and hip hop for some reason , and it isn’t just black ppl, kids nowdays think it’s cool to listen to hip hop and rnb rather than rock and country music, they don’t care if they like the song or not, if everbody else is listening to a certain type of music they will follow. And avril lavigne had some good songs when she first came out but she is not rock she is pop, i don’t think kelis is rock either i see her as pop/rnb/alternative.
And I was wondering if someone could explaine to me how gwen stefani is copying kelis? is it because she works with the neptunes now? because I was reading a interview with kelis and the interviewer asked her about that.
I don’t have a problem with Furtado and Stefani making their money crossing over to R&B. I do have a problem with the system and society where it is still considered “in vogue” when whites adopt a black style of music. I also have a problem with the black media that ignore black artists that don’t fit into the myopic spectrum of “black music”. For decades white singers have been able to profit and appropriate off of black culture. Yet the opposite is not true.
i think you’re right. i have been a huge supporter of Fefe since 2003, and for her to be dropped a day before her album was supposed to be released is really suspicious. I agree with you 100% about racism
PERSONAL I’M WHITE AND I DON’T CARE. GENRE DOESN’T NOT MAKE YOUR RACE. HIP HOP IS MY MUSIC. BEYONCE & RIHANNA ARE CONSIDERED “POP” WHILE JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE IS BEING PLAYED HERE IN L.A. ON POWER 1O6 [A HIP RADIO STATION IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY]. I JUST THINK FEFE [WHOEVER THAT IS] WAS TOO ROCK SIGNED TO A HIP HOP/POP LABEL. JAY TOOK HER OUT THAT’S BECAUSE HE DOES NOT THINK ROCK SHOULD BE SIGNED TOO A HIP HOP & POP CULTURED LABEL. GENRE IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR BACKGROUND MUSIC NOT RACE! RIHANNA IS BEING LOVED ALL OVER EVERY COUNTRY & EVERY RACE LOVED HER! BRITNEY IS ALSO KNOWN TO BE R&B AND POP.
I was surfing on the internet when i came across this brilliant blog, I know I’m a whole year late i just think that this blog was what everyone needs to hear. Although i disagree on certain things you wrote i believe you have a valid and almost unchallengeable point.As a matter of fact the one thing i disagreed was the statement about Beyonce in relation to the topic of Kelis. Yes the Ring the alarm used a similar aspect as Kelis’ Caught Out There” But that was it Beyonce just like other artist (excluding rihanna) reached high fame before she did that song, which by the way did not do exceptionally well on the charts and could have forgivingly been left out of B’day. Secondly, Lets to say Ring the alarm was entirely influenced by Kelis’ song, Beyonce did not take full ownership of the originality of the piece. She never once said that she was the first to “Scream on a track”. Beyonce most likely assumed that the originater of screaming was already established and decided that treading the waters of fairly untouched territory would help her grow as an artist. possibly. All in all, i believe you blog acted as the voice of the sane and intelligent listeners of current music. My only regret is that i had not located this blog earlier when i had enough time to spread its popularity. Great Job!!
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I totally agree with you, I have never even heard of this Deborah Cox girl, but now reading all this makes me want to wonder.
I am a huge Fefe Dobson fan, and I like Kelis as well.
I dunno, Fefe is similar to Avril, yet Avril is recieving more fame.
LOL, Rihanna… me and a couple of members of fefesource.com/43rdstreet were noticing that whole Rihanna stealing everyones style (of music/clothing/hair) and there are even vids on youtube.
someones gotta do something about this.
100% agreement with everything you said. Like in the UK where black artists seem to be stuck on MTV Base (hip hop, r’n’b) but white artists get shown across all the channels. If the black artist is HUGE then they start getting shown on other stations.
The whole industry is messed up. They play who they want to play and dump anyone who they don’t want anymore like they don’t even matter e.g. Def Jam ditches Fefe Dobson, Christina Milian and Tearri Marie so they can focus on Rihanna. It shows that talent doesn’t matter anymore, just the clothes they wear, and then these labels wonder why record sales are going down and blame it on illegal downloading.
You made a point ive been making for a long time and it was so nice to see someone else felt the same way.
the only thing i would say is that r’nb is dead- the term is now Urban pop. it is impossible to be rnb when you have Urban Pop Icons like Beyonce, Justin and Usher scoring hits with infectious club songs.
i think the aim for any artist who wants to sell records should be to be commercial but be honest.
and dreamwrite you are RIGHT. Island dropped so many artists just to focus on rihanna- how many of you saw teairra marie’s interview where she explained how she was dropped. it was heartbreaking to see how jay z didnt have the decency to tell teairra himself.
she was called on her prom night and told by jay brown(the a&r who signed rihanna, neyo and teairra) that she was going to be dropped.
rihanna was only kept because her management got SOS (even though both she AND teaira had bad sales.
Darius Rucker is a hit in country music. You failed to mention him. Also your view of country music (and description) is warped and you sound pretty narrow minded. Disliking a lifestyle or sexual orientation does not mean you have a “Phobia”(fear)of those things. you just don’t agree. FeFe is hot!
I love Fefe Dobson. Ive been a fan of her for years, now. Im also a black girl in the indie/pop rock music industry, and I see that its alot harder for us.
Music IS LIBERATION. There are a variety of genres out there because there were people who had a need to be expressive in their own way, instead of using the styles they knew couldn’t properly express their music. Classical, for instance, does not care what color skin you have. If you have the ear and intelligence enough to listen and understand, also play it by capturing its essence, you are a classical fan and musician. It does not matter how you look.
I love fefe! It is not fair that originality should work so hard to be recognized.
Music IS LIBERATION! Curse those who try to place limitations on it!!!
Brilliant article…Its all about marketing not music…The only reason Weave-once and Rihanna are big is because the do everything the executives tell them to do. They are manufactured products!
However artists like Fefe and Kelis actually care about the images and messages they put out and want a say in what is project. That is too much trouble for the industry so they just write them off as too “different”.
Music in the US is truly garbage and like a previous poster said RnB is dead.
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you know, when I first heard Paramore’s “Misery Business” I DIDN’T LIKE IT because I thought the singer was that FeFe Dobson chick and I CAN’T STAND HER. She’s too loud, makes too many ugly faces, just isn’t classy..
Then I realized the singer was a cute White Girl with dyed Orange hair and I LOVE PARAMORE.
Sorry – to admit it – but it’s true. I don’t like Fefe Dobson.
Damn so true.Most people don’t even realize that.they just go with the flow of mainstream..most ppl I know don’t know who debrah cox kelis or fefe dobson is and they have the nerve to call me white wash or not black enough..I personally like those artists but never thought of them as different I just liked their music b\c I could relate and sing to it.I like other types of music too but id support my black people that aren’t doing the usual by buying a CD…too bad most of fefe dobson’s songs I had to get from online and if it wasn’t for disney channel I wouldn’t have heard of her. Are there any other black artists that aren’t mainstream? Maybe male artists? There used to be one in a group called All Star Weekend but they replaced him with an indian guy and I’ve lost interest in their music so I’ll stick with Yellowcard…
Europe seems so less racist than american but you wouldn’t think that b/c the U.S. is more diverse.I wish I could go visit my family there.